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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:54 am

I admire Gaga, i think she's a good player and a good singer based on the live videos of her I've seen on youtube, but I'm not a fan either. Her music doesn't grab me. Razz It's funny that Tarja likes her indeed, but I can see why.

It seems she really got pissed with all the IFI episode.Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:38 pm

Wow..Lady Gaga fan...I don't get why people like Lady Gaga that much...never got into her music, don't even really like the songs...
But yeah, if she likes Lady Gaga, it's fine with me...but I don't share that music taste at all..not even a little bit...
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:37 pm

Well, I think Gaga's music is undeniably energetic. For me, I'm not very much into it. I think I don't listen much to dance and electro (and now, pop, I have just added it into my less favor list)
But I think I adore her style. I mean she's something weird, a revolution in dance music... maybe>?
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:05 pm

lol can you imagine going to a gaga gig and finding tarja? affraid Laughing Laughing Laughing it would be ....interesting Laughing but i can see why she likes it, even tho im not a fan...
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:12 am

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lol can you imagine going to a gaga gig and finding tarja? affraid Laughing Laughing Laughing it would be ....interesting Laughing but i can see why she likes it, even tho im not a fan...

Yeps, I think Tarja is more and more into American stuffs nowadays. She said she loved american rock bands right?
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:25 am

She said so. I guess that after a lifetime of hearing European influences, American stuff must be something new for her... unlike for example, me, who after a long time of hearing American stuff, media forcefully fed, I find European music as something really novel and refreshing so... well.
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:13 am

Yeah, seems so. To her, it's all new and exciting Laughing When she was busy with Nightwish and her studies, nu metal was at the height of its popularity, so she missed the trend. That's my explanation at least. I still don't get the interest in nu metal or metalcore, though Razz

My suspicion is that the American influence is also the reason for her limited success in Finland.

I don't mind that artists (?) such as LG exist, I just resent all the fuss made about them. As soon as an artist (or anything else) is hyped, I lose all interest and even actively avoid any exposure because according to my experience hype is a bad sign. Good stuff doesn't need it. The only few exceptions where I wasn't turned off by hype include the LotR films, because I was already interested in the subject and the films some time before they came to the cinemas. Call me elitist, but I've always avoided crowds, whether literally or metaphorically Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:34 am

Yah, I agree with you guys. I think nu and metalcore sound so simplistic. Symphonic metal, on the contrary, is so much different. It's definitely very rich and posseses so many perspectives. And in my opinion, some of the songs in What Lies Beneath were made too simple. Seems like, Tarja's influence from nu and metalcore has turned these songs to be a bit shallow. An example for this is Until My Last Breath and Dark Star.... well, I thought these two songs were nice at first, but got bored after times of listening to them.
I think that Tarja has made the guitar part so much fantasic. But she has forgotten the symphonic part, which is also an importance of Symphonic metal...Obviously, there are too little orchestral arrangements in every track of the album.. (whereas you can find choir and strings nearly on every song in MWS)
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:59 am

Curiously, I find UMLB very, very alike to Nemo, in structure specially, and I don't find Dark Star simplistic. Actually I have no complains on her new album regarding the usage of orchestra, it might be because I knew it'd be the way it is since I heard Falling Awake. I even said to some friends "Man I'll miss my symphonic Tarja but her classic rock new direction is good".
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:02 pm

Eressa wrote:
Curiously, I find UMLB very, very alike to Nemo, in structure specially, ".

I noticed that too!

I don't hear american metal influences in her music...not too much at least
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:35 pm

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Yah, I agree with you guys. I think nu and metalcore sound so simplistic. Symphonic metal, on the contrary, is so much different. It's definitely very rich and posseses so many perspectives.

Funny... I think exactly the other way round. Razz I see much more nuanses and different aspects in nu and metalcore, not only those two especific styles but other american bands that are VERY insteresting(like Mastodon, Baroness, Tool, A Perfect Circle...). And symphonic/melodic metal bands sound all the same to me, simplistic, boring and annoying at the same time. Laughing
In the OF, a long time ago I said in the portuguese forum that imo the European vocalists are waaaaaay better than the American ones, but in terms of song writting I think that the American ones are much more dynamic than the European ones. I still stick to that opinion until today. I haven't seen any symphonic/melodic metal band that I'd say it's unbelievably awesome for the last few years. Maybe only Leaves' Eyes with their album Njord, which is a masterpiece imo.

but I think that the orchestral arrangements of WLB are way too much in the background, and sometimes they're there but are powerless. But live they sound awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:38 am

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LuciferAmadxander wrote:
Yah, I agree with you guys. I think nu and metalcore sound so simplistic. Symphonic metal, on the contrary, is so much different. It's definitely very rich and posseses so many perspectives.

Funny... I think exactly the other way round. Razz I see much more nuanses and different aspects in nu and metalcore, not only those two especific styles but other american bands that are VERY insteresting(like Mastodon, Baroness, Tool, A Perfect Circle...).
Aha, but those are not the bands that people typically think of when they say "nu metal" or "metalcore" because the ones you mention are more experimental and influenced by progressive rock. Also, The Mars Volta (very well-known band), Atomship (obscure) or The Gourishankar (very obscure), to quote a few bands I'm familiar with, those are all rooted in the alternative rock scene, but hardly typical. Nu metal and now (melodic) metalcore, on the other hand, are just trends like grunge, where one or two bands are successful and immediately thousands of copycats spring up, quickly oversaturating the scene. What about the bands Tarja keeps mentioning? Korn, Slipknot, Disturbed, As I Lay Dying, Avenged Sevenfold, what's so interesting about their songwriting, where are the nuances and different aspects? Where is the complexity? Where are the well-composed or interesting guitar lines as opposed to lame breakdowns?

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And symphonic/melodic metal bands sound all the same to me, simplistic, boring and annoying at the same time. Laughing
Again, it would be helpful if you mentioned specific bands because your statement is far too general to discuss. There are both mediocre copycats and highly talented and original artists who still fall under the label "melodic metal" - it's so generic that at least half of the metal scene fits it. You can hardly call Orphaned Land's, Wintersun's or Diablo Swing Orchestra's music "same sounding", or the music of, say, Epica, Opeth or Dream Theater (uh-huh, American metal Laughing) "simplistic", for example.

Also, of course, keyboards and orchestrations add a lot of different shades, sounds and complexity to metal, at least potentially.

Bottom line: There's good and bad in any genre. When you pick the good bands from one genre and the bad bands from the other, it's easy to say the first genre is so much better than the second.

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And in my opinion, some of the songs in What Lies Beneath were made too simple. Seems like, Tarja's influence from nu and metalcore has turned these songs to be a bit shallow. An example for this is Until My Last Breath and Dark Star.... well, I thought these two songs were nice at first, but got bored after times of listening to them.
I think that Tarja has made the guitar part so much fantasic. But she has forgotten the symphonic part, which is also an importance of Symphonic metal...Obviously, there are too little orchestral arrangements in every track of the album.. (whereas you can find choir and strings nearly on every song in MWS)
Well, if the guitar part was really so fantastic, I wouldn't really mind ... but it doesn't sound fantastic to me. Personally, I'm both open to guitar-based music and more keyboard/orchestra/choir-dominated music, but I'm not sold on keyboards and especially not orchestra/choir because I don't like when rock music is overwhelmed by it and turns into cheesy, easy-listening mush where the band relies on the "ZOMG orchestra awesome epic masterpiece!!!1!" effect so much that they neglect the "rock" part. But I can see that it is a difficult balance, like on "In for a Kill" where in the studio version the orchestrations are too much in the background.
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:31 pm

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Aha, but those are not the bands that people typically think of when they say "nu metal" or "metalcore" because the ones you mention are more experimental and influenced by progressive rock. Also, The Mars Volta (very well-known band), Atomship (obscure) or The Gourishankar (very obscure), to quote a few bands I'm familiar with, those are all rooted in the alternative rock scene, but hardly typical. Nu metal and now (melodic) metalcore, on the other hand, are just trends like grunge, where one or two bands are successful and immediately thousands of copycats spring up, quickly oversaturating the scene. What about the bands Tarja keeps mentioning? Korn, Slipknot, Disturbed, As I Lay Dying, Avenged Sevenfold, what's so interesting about their songwriting, where are the nuances and different aspects? Where is the complexity? Where are the well-composed or interesting guitar lines as opposed to lame breakdowns?


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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:59 am

I'm sure you've already seen it but

http://galeria.tarjargentina.com/v/scans/prensaar/tarjars01.jpg.html

I really like that picture Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:29 am

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I'm sure you've already seen it but

http://galeria.tarjargentina.com/v/scans/prensaar/tarjars01.jpg.html

I really like that picture Twisted Evil

I had not seen it! my god I really like that picture! alien
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:01 am

I'm vegetarian so I'd have loved it more without the meat Laughing , but the picture is actually very artistic and hilarious Mr. Green .
Is the typical kind of picture that you might find on the argentinean edition of Rolling Stone. Once they made a photoshoot of a very succesful argentinean tenis player, and he was dressed very elegant, in a fancy room with baroque decorations, but his feet were all dirty and covered with mud rabbit it was like a funny way to represent the international success he had at that time (the classy outfit) and his humble roots (the dirt on his feet).
I think this photoshoot with Tarja has a similar concept: they want to portray the contrast between her metal goddess status, and her housewife life in Buenos Aires. Very clever and funny in my opinion (still hate the barbacue though Mr. Green ).
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PostSubject: Re: Tarja Media (Interviews, articles, internet, videos, etc)   Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:01 am

Eressa wrote:
I'm sure you've already seen it but

http://galeria.tarjargentina.com/v/scans/prensaar/tarjars01.jpg.html

I really like that picture Twisted Evil

Here's the translation (made by me, please forgive me for any mistakes xD):

Tarja Turunen: Barbecue with leather

In Buenos Aires, and with an Argentinean husband, the queen of global heavy metal turns around the emptiness of her life. (Note: vacío means void, emptyness, but it's also a kind of meat, so it's a word play, it could also be translated as "flips the meat (vacío) on the grill"). Everything on Tarja Turunen's world has always come with a side dish of pompousness. To understand her better, think about the exact intersection between Pantera and Andrew Lloyd Webber, or a Sarah Brightman high on crack. Just recentrly these argentinean barbacues are posible. (Note: it actually says "porteños", meaning not just from argentina, but from Buenos Aires in particular).

About 10 years ago, Tarja from Finland was the biggest metal sex symbol leading Nightwish, with her huge opera voice, her notorious cleavage and her outbursts of symphonic metal. Marcelo Cabuli, local producer leading Nems Enterprises, released their albums in Argentina. "I didn't come here looking for a husband, exactly. And he was patient enough", she says. "It was the first time that we came to Buenos Aires to perform, in the year 2000. I had no one to talk to and a producer in Brazil told Marcelo to keep me company, to look after me. He was extremely busy, but he always made some time for me, he showed me the city. That's how we fell in love." The plane back to Helsinki was a lot more tense. "I was out of my mind, I couldn't be falling in love with a guy who lived on the other side of the world, my career, this and that, but it happened." Today, Marcelo is her manager. And there were some epic moments: in 2003 she was invited together with her husband by the finnish president to a gathering at the presidential palace to celebrate Independence Day; Tarja dressed in haute couture, and Marcelo inside an uncomfortable suit, with handshake to the president and everything. Tarja, in her native Scandinavia, has done the ultimate crossover: "In my country, I have a celebrity status, I'm well known, both in metal and in opera". Her first solo album, "My Winter Storm", went straight to number one in the charts, for example. But Buenos Aires, withoug being pro, is diferent.

"In Finland, I have no private life. Here I use the subway, the sun comes out, it's incredible. And I have a beautiful apartment in Buenos Aires, but I won't tell you where". Ok, who cooks? "Me. I cook salmon, lots of fish, which is not so usual here. Marcelo takes care of the barbacue, but I can help, I manage. Also empanadas, milanesas (typical argentinean foods). I know how to do all that. I love being a housewife. The only bad thing is that we are never here for more than two weeks straight, we have been living like that for five years."
This time, it's a promotional tour for "What lies beneath", her new solo album, which is quite daring. It's not Nightwish, which she left in 2005 after building a cult of followers in Buenos Aires, with a sold out Obras Stadium, in the biggest scandal in the genre in years, with plates breaking and crossed acusations ("there's no chance of a reunion, sorry"), but a piece as direct as progressive, precisely, the intersection between Pantera and Andrew Lloyd Webber, where her throne as metal queen is reaffirmed. And the queen does not clean the floors. "You are wrong. I do it all the time. A dirty house is not my house".

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